Discussion:
Love - Spellbound
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~Jim
2004-04-14 17:45:54 UTC
Permalink
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to invite
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn. Please
kindly share knowledge :)

I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of mantra?
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your mind. I
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the other
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married now)
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in possesion),
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's chanting
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night of no
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his attention to
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and start the
conversation.

According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all kind has
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person attempt to
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the domain). Then
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him (most
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required to
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.

I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the mantra, and
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.

And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to be
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that needed to
be nurtured.

Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that before you go
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can do
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to have
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then you got
it!

Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.

A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this stories of the
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to have
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and concentrate ones
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot to
discuss.

What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our mutual
interest.

--
Jim
ag
2004-04-21 03:33:56 UTC
Permalink
Jim,

i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did post
something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website selling
magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...

http://www.benzoarstones.com

you might want to check it out...

ag
Post by ~Jim
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to invite
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn. Please
kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of mantra?
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your mind. I
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the other
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married now)
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in possesion),
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's chanting
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night of no
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his attention to
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and start the
conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all kind has
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person attempt to
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the domain). Then
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him (most
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required to
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the mantra, and
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to be
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that needed to
be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that before you go
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can do
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to have
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then you got
it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this stories of the
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to have
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and concentrate ones
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot to
discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our mutual
interest.
--
Jim
~Jim
2004-04-21 17:04:52 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
I've been doing scholar like research on my own, laying down the basics and
beginning to do rituals on my own. Basically it lays on your own mind and
will.
Regarding indotalisman and bezoarstone, yes I've been in contact with the
owner through email and recommended a couple of products. I planned to visit
his workshop next month.
Post by ag
Jim,
i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did post
something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website selling
magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...
http://www.benzoarstones.com
you might want to check it out...
ag
Post by ~Jim
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to invite
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn. Please
kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of
mantra?
Post by ~Jim
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your mind. I
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the other
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married now)
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in possesion),
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's chanting
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night of no
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his attention to
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and start
the
Post by ~Jim
conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all kind
has
Post by ~Jim
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person
attempt
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the domain).
Then
Post by ~Jim
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him (most
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required to
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the mantra,
and
Post by ~Jim
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to be
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that needed
to
Post by ~Jim
be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that before
you
Post by ag
go
Post by ~Jim
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can do
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to have
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then you got
it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this stories of the
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to have
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and concentrate
ones
Post by ~Jim
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot to
discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our mutual
interest.
--
Jim
ag
2004-04-22 14:22:01 UTC
Permalink
Hey Jim,

let me know how that visit went...i'm interested in several items from the
site as well.
owner, i think his name is Zahir?

yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested, they're
not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like they
like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well

peace

ag
Post by ~Jim
Hi,
I've been doing scholar like research on my own, laying down the basics and
beginning to do rituals on my own. Basically it lays on your own mind and
will.
Regarding indotalisman and bezoarstone, yes I've been in contact with the
owner through email and recommended a couple of products. I planned to visit
his workshop next month.
Post by ag
Jim,
i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did post
something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website selling
magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...
http://www.benzoarstones.com
you might want to check it out...
ag
Post by ~Jim
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to invite
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn. Please
kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of
mantra?
Post by ~Jim
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your
mind.
Post by ~Jim
I
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the other
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married
now)
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in possesion),
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's
chanting
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night of no
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his attention
to
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and start
the
Post by ~Jim
conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all kind
has
Post by ~Jim
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person
attempt
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the domain).
Then
Post by ~Jim
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him
(most
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required to
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the mantra,
and
Post by ~Jim
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to be
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that needed
to
Post by ~Jim
be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that before
you
Post by ag
go
Post by ~Jim
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can do
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to
have
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then you
got
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this stories of
the
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to have
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and concentrate
ones
Post by ~Jim
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot to
discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our
mutual
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
interest.
--
Jim
Tom
2004-04-22 15:05:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by ag
yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested, they're
not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like they
like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well
On the other hand, if you're ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, they
won't be interested in you no matter what you do. Unless, of course, they
are ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, too. Then it could be a match
made in... well, maybe not heaven, exactly, but somewhere. Maybe Albania.
Rick
2004-04-22 15:59:25 UTC
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... Unless, of course, they
are ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, too. Then it could be a match
made in... well, maybe not heaven, exactly, but ...
But then agin, I've always had the impression that it really stinks in
High Heaven.
Tom
2004-04-23 06:18:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rick
... Unless, of course, they
are ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, too. Then it
could be a match made in... well, maybe not heaven,
exactly, but ...
But then agin, I've always had the impression that it really stinks in
High Heaven.
No, it stinks *to* High Heaven. It stinks in Low Heaven, though.
Midheaven, too, but not as much. Once you're beyond the High Heaven gates,
though, the odor of sanctity prevails.

At least, that's what the Mormons tell me.
ag
2004-04-23 14:42:41 UTC
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hahaha, true true...

then those guys dont deserve to get any...but when you have cash...that
helps...
but anyway...before going too far from the topic...

Tom, just wanna know your stance/belief regarding these 'magick' things and
the paranormal...just curious

ag
Post by ag
Post by ag
yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested,
they're
Post by ag
not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like they
like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well
On the other hand, if you're ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, they
won't be interested in you no matter what you do. Unless, of course, they
are ugly, stupid, unlikeable, and smell bad, too. Then it could be a match
made in... well, maybe not heaven, exactly, but somewhere. Maybe Albania.
Tom
2004-04-23 18:12:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by ag
hahaha, true true...
then those guys dont deserve to get any...but when you have
cash...that helps...
Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. I remember way back during the Nixon
Administration when Henry Kissinger, a misanthropic little troll of a man,
as considered one of the most eligible bachelors in America by many women's
magazines.
Post by ag
but anyway...before going too far from the topic...
OK.
Post by ag
Tom, just wanna know your stance/belief regarding these
'magick' things and the paranormal...just curious
As far as I have been able to determine, there is no need to posit any kind
for paranormal or supernatural causes for any observable effects of
practices we normally think of as "magic".

Magic is what we call some fortuitous happening that appears to have been
caused somehow but we don't know exactly how. When we know exactly how
something is caused and can demonstrate it reliably and repeatedly, we cease
to think of it as magic. It becomes mundane, prosaic, ordinary phenomena.
The "magic" is in the stuff we don't understand.

One of the paradoxes of the study of magic is that you must not actually
find reliable and replicable laws of magic's physical or psychological
effects, or what you find is no longer what you set out to study. You can
form vague and tentative theories, but they are not really testable, or, at
least, their proponents don't really want to test them.

Studying magic is like trying to walk to the horizon. No matter how much
progress you make, you're really no closer to it than you were before.
ag
2004-04-27 19:53:52 UTC
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power is the ultimate aphrodisiac...cant argue there...could you even say
fame as well? you get a guy on tv, then bam, if he's passable in the look
department, chicks will go crazy for him

and great view on the magic thing, Tom -

so basically, 'things' does happen, but when we could not explain
it...people would term it paranormal or magic...but you do believe or at
least confirm that there are 'things' happening that are
unexplainable...that there's more than the physical world which we're only
seeing with our physical eyes -
Post by Tom
Post by ag
hahaha, true true...
then those guys dont deserve to get any...but when you have
cash...that helps...
Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. I remember way back during the Nixon
Administration when Henry Kissinger, a misanthropic little troll of a man,
as considered one of the most eligible bachelors in America by many women's
magazines.
Post by ag
but anyway...before going too far from the topic...
OK.
Post by ag
Tom, just wanna know your stance/belief regarding these
'magick' things and the paranormal...just curious
As far as I have been able to determine, there is no need to posit any kind
for paranormal or supernatural causes for any observable effects of
practices we normally think of as "magic".
Magic is what we call some fortuitous happening that appears to have been
caused somehow but we don't know exactly how. When we know exactly how
something is caused and can demonstrate it reliably and repeatedly, we cease
to think of it as magic. It becomes mundane, prosaic, ordinary phenomena.
The "magic" is in the stuff we don't understand.
One of the paradoxes of the study of magic is that you must not actually
find reliable and replicable laws of magic's physical or psychological
effects, or what you find is no longer what you set out to study. You can
form vague and tentative theories, but they are not really testable, or, at
least, their proponents don't really want to test them.
Studying magic is like trying to walk to the horizon. No matter how much
progress you make, you're really no closer to it than you were before.
Tom
2004-04-27 22:04:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by ag
power is the ultimate aphrodisiac...cant argue there...could you even say
fame as well? you get a guy on tv, then bam, if he's passable in the look
department, chicks will go crazy for him
Two words: William Hung
Post by ag
so basically, 'things' does happen, but when we could not explain
it...people would term it paranormal or magic...but you do believe or at
least confirm that there are 'things' happening that are
unexplainable...that there's more than the physical world which we're only
seeing with our physical eyes -
There are probably more explanations than there are events to explain.
After all, any event might be explained in any number of ways. Whether or
not you choose to accept any of those explanations is up to you.

Any event is "unexplained" if you don't believe its explanation. On the
other hand, any explanation offered for a given event may or may not be
true.

But there are no events that are "unexplainable".

"Paranormal" is one kind of explanation. I am not convinced that there are
any events for which the paranormal explanation is the only viable one or
even the best one of those available. It might be true, in some cases, but
so far the evidence doesn't support it very well.
Steve Kane
2004-05-03 12:28:25 UTC
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My experience is in the workings of Fates/Fairies (same thing) - the
beings are lords of chance - all that is random for us is determined
for them - and it seems in some way visa versa.

Therefore none of their doings will seem to defy reductionism - and
yet locally they distort "reality" awesomely.

When I was first understanding this I received the PIN no "6000" -
which was easy to remember and when I sat before my next such number
for a different A/c I said "If my understanding is good this one
should be ultimately memorable" - it was "1111" on opening the little
envelope - not even issued in most countries by most banks.

I am of course protected by the fact that many folk imagine this kind
of stuff.

It doesn't mean that the divine weavers cook-up anything I want - that
would be wrong in a thousand ways - but I can tell when they are in
action and then I co-operate. Doing this involves giving up the hunger
for Stuff'n'Status though. The sensation is more of them running
before me leading me towards an understanding that includes "science"
but goes far beyond.

Your "wanting" is a poxy little thing - give it up and get something
awesome - "what is there for you when you need it" - "world
domination" is a cheap thrill beside it.

Steve

~Jim
2004-04-23 06:11:13 UTC
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Well, if you're interested in the pyscological factor of that. Go and learn
about it from David D'angelo (doubleyourdating.com), Robert Greene(art of
seduction), and www.sosuave.com/vbulletin/ (Don Juan Bible)

His name is not Zahir.
Post by ag
Hey Jim,
let me know how that visit went...i'm interested in several items from the
site as well.
owner, i think his name is Zahir?
yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested, they're
not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like they
like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well
peace
ag
Post by ~Jim
Hi,
I've been doing scholar like research on my own, laying down the basics
and
Post by ~Jim
beginning to do rituals on my own. Basically it lays on your own mind and
will.
Regarding indotalisman and bezoarstone, yes I've been in contact with the
owner through email and recommended a couple of products. I planned to
visit
Post by ~Jim
his workshop next month.
Post by ag
Jim,
i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did post
something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website selling
magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...
http://www.benzoarstones.com
you might want to check it out...
ag
Post by ~Jim
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to
invite
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn.
Please
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of
mantra?
Post by ~Jim
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your
mind.
Post by ~Jim
I
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the other
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married
now)
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in
possesion),
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's
chanting
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night
of
Post by ag
no
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his attention
to
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and
start
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
the
Post by ~Jim
conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all
kind
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
has
Post by ~Jim
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person
attempt
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the
domain).
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Then
Post by ~Jim
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him
(most
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required to
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the
mantra,
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
and
Post by ~Jim
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to
be
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that
needed
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that before
you
Post by ag
go
Post by ~Jim
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can
do
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to
have
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then you
got
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this stories of
the
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to
have
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and concentrate
ones
Post by ~Jim
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot to
discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our
mutual
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
interest.
--
Jim
ag
2004-04-23 14:40:03 UTC
Permalink
hmm...it seems that you might've tried those approach as well?
(psychological)

bezoarstone, i am in contact with someone from bezoarstone, his name is
Zahir...although they do not 'guarantee' but he did say it does work...and
in a sense i do believe in them as well - jinn, etc. the occult always
interest me...

so, Jim, best of luck to you and let me know how the bezoartone thingee
works out - and if i may ask where in the 'west' did you study?

ag
Post by ~Jim
Well, if you're interested in the pyscological factor of that. Go and learn
about it from David D'angelo (doubleyourdating.com), Robert Greene(art of
seduction), and www.sosuave.com/vbulletin/ (Don Juan Bible)
His name is not Zahir.
Post by ag
Hey Jim,
let me know how that visit went...i'm interested in several items from the
site as well.
owner, i think his name is Zahir?
yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested,
they're
Post by ag
not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like they
like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well
peace
ag
Post by ~Jim
Hi,
I've been doing scholar like research on my own, laying down the basics
and
Post by ~Jim
beginning to do rituals on my own. Basically it lays on your own mind
and
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
will.
Regarding indotalisman and bezoarstone, yes I've been in contact with
the
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
owner through email and recommended a couple of products. I planned to
visit
Post by ~Jim
his workshop next month.
Post by ag
Jim,
i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did
post
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website selling
magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...
http://www.benzoarstones.com
you might want to check it out...
ag
Post by ~Jim
I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to
invite
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn.
Please
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kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the use of
mantra?
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chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your
mind.
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I
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just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the
other
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night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's married
now)
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The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in
possesion),
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that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's
chanting
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when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night
of
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no
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food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his
attention
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to
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her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and
start
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the
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conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of all
kind
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has
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it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person
attempt
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to
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"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the
domain).
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Then
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the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping him
(most
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mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required
to
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fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the
mantra,
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and
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it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that needs to
be
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practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that
needed
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to
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be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that
before
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you
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go
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about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some can
do
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this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year) is to
have
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your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then
you
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got
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it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this
stories
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of
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the
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mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to
have
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faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and
concentrate
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ones
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will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot
to
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discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our
mutual
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interest.
--
Jim
~Jim
2004-04-23 23:31:16 UTC
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NZ.
No talisman/magick is guaranteed to work, if they guarantee it... it's a
hoax. Magick will only work for you only if you belief in it and it's best
if performed by yourself since you have the strongest energy to solve your
own problem. It all started in your own mind. Thoughform. If you're sceptic
(as I am still am and still trying to break free from) it will not work or
cancel out the spell/talisman/whatever. SO save your money if you're a
sceptic. I've wasted a really good money these last 8 months on complete
craps.

I'm taking charge of my own magick now, see my new post under Necromancy
please.

Jim
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hmm...it seems that you might've tried those approach as well?
(psychological)
bezoarstone, i am in contact with someone from bezoarstone, his name is
Zahir...although they do not 'guarantee' but he did say it does work...and
in a sense i do believe in them as well - jinn, etc. the occult always
interest me...
so, Jim, best of luck to you and let me know how the bezoartone thingee
works out - and if i may ask where in the 'west' did you study?
ag
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Well, if you're interested in the pyscological factor of that. Go and
learn
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about it from David D'angelo (doubleyourdating.com), Robert Greene(art of
seduction), and www.sosuave.com/vbulletin/ (Don Juan Bible)
His name is not Zahir.
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Hey Jim,
let me know how that visit went...i'm interested in several items from
the
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site as well.
owner, i think his name is Zahir?
yo Jim, another thing about women...when you seem you're interested,
they're
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not, but when you dont seem interested, they're interested...its like
they
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like the challenge or something...so, something to consider as well
peace
ag
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Hi,
I've been doing scholar like research on my own, laying down the
basics
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and
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beginning to do rituals on my own. Basically it lays on your own mind
and
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will.
Regarding indotalisman and bezoarstone, yes I've been in contact with
the
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owner through email and recommended a couple of products. I planned to
visit
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his workshop next month.
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Jim,
i've been reading several of your letters...i have to say its quite
interesting and am quite interested in how you making out with that
girl...do keep us updated on how things going with you - and i did
post
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something on the other letter you wrote, but i found a website
selling
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magical items, etc - made in Indonesia...
http://www.benzoarstones.com
you might want to check it out...
ag
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I thought I'll start a new post on this subject and would like to
invite
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people to discuss. I am a complete novice and are here to learn.
Please
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
kindly share knowledge :)
I have lots of questions on these, for example... what is the
use
Post by ag
of
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
mantra?
Post by ~Jim
chanting or recitation? Some says it acts as a media to focus your
mind.
Post by ~Jim
I
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
just spoke to a local guy in his late 20's here in Indonesia the
other
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
night. We talked about a love mantra he once practised (he's
married
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
now)
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
The mantra is written in Kejawen (like most mantra I have in
possesion),
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
that's an ancient javanese and he sure does not know what's he's
chanting
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
when he "bought" the mantra for 7 days fasting and 1 day and night
of
Post by ag
no
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
food, water, and sleep. It has work for him, as he focus his
attention
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
to
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
her while quitely chanting and wham, the girl sat next to him and
start
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
the
Post by ~Jim
conversation.
According to him, like each "letter" in Al Quran, the mantra of
all
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
kind
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
has
Post by ~Jim
it's own guardians, that it's domain will shake whenever a person
attempt
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
"buy" the mantra with fasting and chant (act like a key to the
domain).
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Then
Post by ~Jim
the guardian will go up or down LOL to seduce the person temping
him
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
(most
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra's here designed for men) to fail during those time required
to
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
fulfill the purchase of mantra from the guardian.
I once got a friend who understand a bit of the languange of the
mantra,
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
and
Post by ~Jim
it is written like poetry with many intepretation.
And that the mantra can wear off in time, like a skill that
needs
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
be
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
practiced. The mantra needed to be memorized, and the energy that
needed
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
be nurtured.
Another post from my local board commented on one mantra, that
before
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
you
Post by ag
go
Post by ~Jim
about "purchasing" a mantra, or have it transferred to you (some
can
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
do
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
this, but it does not last long - average a week, max. a year)
is
Post by ag
to
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
have
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
your aura photograph, before and after. If it is burning red, then
you
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
got
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
it!
Well, that's just a story for now. Gotta find it out for sure.
A thought of mine is that those ancient people make up this
stories
Post by ~Jim
of
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
the
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
mantra keeper and other requirement to get the person buying it to
have
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
faith, and to succeed. Like a media to gain more focus and
concentrate
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
ones
Post by ~Jim
will. There's a lot of contradicting factors and ideas here. A lot
to
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
discuss.
What you folks think about it?
I'll talk more about Javanese ancient mantra later if it is of our
mutual
Post by ag
Post by ~Jim
interest.
--
Jim
Tom
2004-04-24 16:05:50 UTC
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NZ.
No talisman/magick is guaranteed to work, if they guarantee it... it's a
hoax. Magick will only work for you only if you belief in it and it's best
if performed by yourself since you have the strongest energy to solve your
own problem.
Ain't necessarily so.

Let's take the case of a culture (Call it Culture A) that uses only a
stone-age level of technology confronted by a person from a technologically
advanced culture (Call it Culture B). This person shows them a talisman he
calls a "flashlight". The person from Cukture A observes that when the
Culture B person brandishes the talisman in a certain way, a light magically
appears. This magic works each and every time, guaranteed, whether you
believe in it or not.

Magic is what we call an effect whose cause we can't adequately explain.
Because we have only a vague notion of what's going on with things magical,
they often seem to us to be only intermittently effective. The better we
understand them, the more reliable they become. However, the better we
understand them, the less magical they appear to be, to us.
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